last point regarding definitions in tulpamancy: I can handle definitions fine, they don't bother me at all
Why is that? That's because I can already switch and do all of those other fancy tulpa tricks! I already have personal experience of what those things are like... but that makes me completely different to someone who is brand new to these concepts(edited)
Ya know, while I'm waiting for the Daemianism panel to start for Othercon 2023, it has me thinking...
Would be lowkey dope to host a virtual convention like Othercon, but on the topic of Tulpamancy and such. Especially with the way Othercon hosts theirs, it would certainly be quite doable.
If anybody was interested, I'd be up for setting up / planning / etc, and potentially hosting some panels if we did bring it to fruition.(edited)
wish we weren't blurry so often, i felt kaybee fronting really well when we were at the tail end of work today when our shitty manager left, but for the entire 6 hours we've been home since, it's been really hard to discern our boundaries
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wish we weren't blurry so often, i felt kaybee fronting really well when we were at the tail end of work today when our shitty manager left, but for the entire 6 hours we've been home since, it's been really hard to discern our boundaries
There are a few things you guys can do to help with blending.
One simple thing you can do is draw your form over the body to ground.
Another thing you can do is if you're feeling soupy, go ahead and decide who should be switched in and let them front(edited)
What I do is decide who we want to front and then we keep reaffirming that even if it feels wrong and they are acting off. Just blunt force the issue until your brain bends to it and listens to what person who want to front
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Don’t actually feel like the person you decided? Too bad, you actually are that person, deal with it, keep telling yourself you are that person and that person’s personality will become stronger in the identity soup until it’s just them
It can feel a little weird because it feels like you are pretending to be someone else and that might be seen as rude to them. But when you in a blended state you arent anyone, you are a mixture of multiple people. So you aren't pretending to be someone, part of that person is mixed in with that 'identity soup' and you are just trying to make one particular person stronger so the blending breaks and you get your structure back.
It's one thing to be sensitive. I am very sensitive so i understand that. It's another thing to be constantly irritated and upset about everything in the world. That's something that requires self-help and/or therapy.
Hey, I'm working on a small 'panel' on the psychological benefits of Tulpamancy and Daemonism. While I've got a few written down, I'd like to include things that others have discovered as well. If comfortable, could some of y'all share psychological benefits you've found from being a Tulpamancer and/or Daemian?
I would say one pro to being a dæmon is there's far less pressure about time and such, but I would have to eat my hat on that since we found through therapy work I need more time and attention.
At the very least, I deeply enjoy my role as a representation of the unconscious mind and it's plain fun!
I don't know if being a dæmon is useful, but I certainly enjoy myself. Although, I must admit we do use a lot of symbolism, which is encouraged in tulpamancy
No she's legit just a pink blob I let her pick what she wants to look like and she hasn't chosen yet so she's the blob but she grows appendages to get around so she kind of looks like this alot of the time except it's just a pink ball and te legs no details really
I would say one pro to being a dæmon is there's far less pressure about time and such, but I would have to eat my hat on that since we found through therapy work I need more time and attention.
At the very least, I deeply enjoy my role as a representation of the unconscious mind and it's plain fun!
I don't know if being a dæmon is useful, but I certainly enjoy myself. Although, I must admit we do use a lot of symbolism, which is encouraged in tulpamancy
I think you need to spend more time in tulpa spaces and interact with tulpa systems. You need to learn more and get a more solid idea of what a tulpa system is and what it would be like for you. It is good that you are taking the time to consider all this and you should consider it a potentially lifelong commitment however you are slightly misinformed.
While it is preferred that you view tulpamancy as a new lifestyle that you keep for years, if not forever, tulpamancy in reality is not forever. You are not forced to keep a tulpa, it is not impossible or extremely difficult to get rid of a tulpa once you make one.
Dissipation is often a touchy subject for people and many communities consider it death however me and many people here don’t. It’s not removing a tulpa from existence it’s putting all those traits and emotions back where it was originally, inside your identity instead of a separate one.
If you are unhappy with your system and want out your tulpa will to. Tulpas aren’t malicious and don’t want you to be upset because they will also be upset by extension. If you end up massively regretting your choice the tulpa is going to think the same and will go along with reversing it.(edited)
People tell others dissipation is an impossible and difficult thing because they are so against dissipation that they will try to scare away anyone who has doubts and may do it
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In their eyes dissipation is the same as murder so you can see why they’d try to prevent it
Tulpamancy is different for everyone, it’s all in your mind and your mind creates and experiences things in a unique way from everyone else. Because of this every person who talk to and every guide you read is all an opinion. Don’t read anything like it’s a fact. Take in information and keep what sounds logical to you. What you should do it take bits and pieces from each thing and create your own version. Because everyone’s version is different.
I will speak my opinions as if they are fact because in my mind they are. That is the structure I have built in my mind. You mold your mind into the rules that you believe in.(edited)
one of the best things izzy did for me, probably from hearing about it in this very server, is to take in as many guides as you can and experiment or mess around to see what works for you
Tulpas cannot do anything without you knowing about it and you can’t do anything without the tulpa knowing about it
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You have control over your mind. A tulpa can’t just start making another tulpa. You’d know that they had the thought of doing it and then you can discuss it and prevent it. Remember that a tulpa doesn’t want to hurt you because that also hurts them. You are a team together. If you don’t want another tulpa and your tulpa does then you need to take the time to communicate that and make a choice together
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As the host you do have more power over a tulpa. (Some people aren’t like that but that’s the structure they built in their mind and it’s not the default)
But just because you have more power doesn’t mean you should see your tulpa as lesser and that your wants and needs are more important. You should see each other as equals and discuss things your tulpa brings up or their opinions on how the system should work
6:50 PM
In my system as time goes on my tulpas get more and more ability to do what they want without permission from me. But that’s what I want, I want them to have that freedom and to feel equal in every way. That’s what many people’s goals are. For a tulpa to feel the same as the host. But once you get to that point, if that’s what you want, you have a long time together and you trust each other to give up that control to them. That is likely something you find to be terrifying and that’s normal, you don’t have everything built up to feel safe in that situation yet(edited)
I could today decide that I don’t want a system anymore and start to dissipate everyone in my system but that would be a very long, difficult and stressful thing for me to do. I couldn’t imagine me doing it. This is been my life for the past six years and trying to go through the process of removing the other people in my life would feel like going through a slow painful process of willingly removing my legs.
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Tewi: I have to be honest, I don't get why everyone's decided to scare newbies by calling tulpamancy a permanent, irreversible thing.(edited)
7:15 PM
I mean, maybe your perspective can change irreversibly, if you realize your sense of self/identity is only one small part of your brain. But you could still have or not have tulpas at any point in your life after.
There is a lot of non tulpa stuff that you learn while doing tulpamancy that will change how you view your sense of self and how your mind works and that might be irreversible but I also don’t think that change is bad, it’s helpful.
7:19 PM
You can apply it to a lot of different things that will help you deal with day to day life
I remember you mentioning that you felt like you’d need to ask a bunch of questions for hours. Please do so. The people here won’t find it annoying. It’s the reason why this server is here. Talking about tulpamancy is one of the favorite topics for most people here and we will happily talk about it for hours, we welcome hours and hours of questions
@Ravenmoor I can't improve on Rusty's answers to you, but there's one thing Rusty said that I want to expand on:
You mold your mind into the rules that you believe in.
this is a really crucial point, and hopefully it might address your worries if I try explaining why you are seeing examples of people telling you that you are locked-in with tulpamancy if you try it
some people say this because that really is how their own system works. They actually are locked-in. They are actually describing how their own system works, but believing it to be the only way a plural system can possibly work
the 'rules that you believe in' shape how your system can function. It's literally happening in your mind, so perhaps this is to be expected! In my opinion, careful consideration of how you can examine and modify your own beliefs is perhaps the core skill (and benefit) of tulpamancy
Hypothetically, if you were to read those accounts telling you that you were 'locked-in' and believe them, then you could actually end up 'locked-in'... but it's clear that you don't like the idea of running your own hypothetical system by those rules... So, if you decide to try tulpamancy at some point, simply choose/make a different set of rules, and even choose new ones later if you want to!
People who describe tulpamancy as irreversible often seem to be unaware that they can choose different sets of rules to suit themselves, and rather believe that they must adhere to a specific set of rules because they have been told that's how it works, and they have experienced it as working that way
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this is probably the server to ask and discuss about it in, there's a bunch of people here who will happily talk to you all day about tulpamancy and related topics all day just out of pure interest ^w^
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(btw you asked if you could DM, that's fine by me but it's also totally fine to ask anything you like pretty much anywhere)
One more thing about the idea that tulpamancy is necessarily a life-long commitment: I think part of the appeal of that belief is that it, in some way, adds 'realness' to tulpas... if they are permanent, they are more 'real' somehow, and having a treasured companion be more real is comforting in some ways
I personally disagree with that; I don't think permanence says anything about how real something is... but the whole "are tulpas real tho?" is a wholehuge rabbit hole philosophy/semantics topic of its own
i've read that for plurality in general it's better to focus on if it works, versus if it's completely real
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i.e. you can't prove it's real in any objective sense since it's a subjective experience, but you can prove if you get the outputs you're expecting for your input, and you can prove whether or not it's making your life any better/whole/more validating
from my point of view, I know I'm having the experience of being a tulpa in my system, and so that experience is real (as in, I really am having that experience!)(edited)
if there is some definition of real that kaybee wouldn't meet, kaybee would still be exactly who kaybee is right now ^w^ so like, in the end, you just are what you are(edited)
every time i interact with them or validate their existence it feels like they're hugging me or something else akin to it, my heart feels all gooey thinking about them sometimes
This is a continued conversation mainly involving @Ale𝕏andra 🍄🐈 in #tulpa-questions, but I'm moving it here, oh, an...
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things that you are worried about would only happen if you had high level of mental health problems (like ocd or schizophrenia) or if you spent your time around people implanting unhealthy ideas in your head
rest assured, none of it is irreversible
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some of the unhealthy ideas are that it’s a lifelong commitment, that dissipation is mirder and that you aren’t allowed to make decisions without your tulpas
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remember that in the end of the day tulpamancy should improve and entich your life, not cause you distress or cause worries
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enrich*
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i’ve been trying to promote wmpowerenment of tulpamancers - which often meets a lot of resistance because a lot of tulpas find it invalidating
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but please temember that worries you have were caused by certain trend in tulpamancy whoch has been repeated for a long time, and there are other views on those things
9:04 PM
tulpamancy is cery subjective, in fact it is about playing with subjectivity of things
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there are no objective truths because you make your own truths that later drive your expectations which shape your experience
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Well now ain't that a bitch? It's my mind, not yours, I should know what options are on my table, even if someone else disagrees...
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in the end of the day yes it is your mind and other people shouldn’t tell you what you should or shouldn’t do
in my opinion of what you are doing is increasing your happiness and doesn’t lower your functionality ot is all good
9:09 PM
Tulpas making other Tulpas: That doesn't just happen right?
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tulpas are created through intention, there is a delicate balance because tulpamancy is about giving authority over part of the intention happening in your mind to your headmate (doesn’t have to) but you need to remember that in the end of the day you are in charge and you are in control if you choose to
9:10 PM
But like I could still just prevent it from happening period, right? I might just be overthinking your wording, but when you s...
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yes you do! some people take away that choice from themselves, or are “forced” by other people to make that choice
I’m glad that you see the need for a panic button - in my opinion it’s very important
9:12 PM
i've read that for plurality in general it's better to focus on if it works, versus if it's completely real
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yes that’s something that i keep repeating on this server haha
I've been using a technique to enhance the clarity of visualization of my tulpa for a long time; I don't know if it's been posted to the forum yet, so I thought I'd contribute it here. To start, imagine your tulpa in whatever level of detail you can--typically I like to have them in a neutral pos...
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raven one thing to consider is that you shouldn’t treat the terms seriously
possession is just a “fancy” word for disowning actions of your body that people who think that outting -mancy at the end of their practice is acceptible lol
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